2024-01-29 19:30:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !startmeeting FESCO (2024-01-29)
!meetingname fesco
Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @jistone:fedora.im, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @mhayden:fedora.im, @tstellar:fedora.im
!topic Init Process

2024-01-29 19:30:13 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-01-29 19:30:12 UTC
2024-01-29 19:30:13 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2024-01-29) !meetingname fesco Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @jistone:fedora.im, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @mhayden:fedora.im, @tstellar:fedora.im !topic Init Process'
2024-01-29 19:30:35 <@tstellar:fedora.im> !hello
2024-01-29 19:30:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tom Stellard (tstellar)
2024-01-29 19:30:39 <@jistone:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-29 19:30:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Josh Stone (jistone) - he / him / his
2024-01-29 19:30:42 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> !hello
2024-01-29 19:30:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hello
2024-01-29 19:30:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Marc Deop (marcdeop)
2024-01-29 19:30:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
2024-01-29 19:30:53 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> !hello
2024-01-29 19:30:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
2024-01-29 19:31:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-01-29 19:31:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !hi
2024-01-29 19:31:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kevin Fenzi (kevin) - he / him / his
2024-01-29 19:31:28 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> That's quorum.
2024-01-29 19:31:31 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-29 19:31:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2024-01-29 19:31:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-29 19:31:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-01-29 19:32:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Let's go then.
2024-01-29 19:32:10 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic #3122 Consider changing maximum size for network install images (also affects Workstation)
!fesco 3122


2024-01-29 19:32:42 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !fesco 3122
2024-01-29 19:32:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3122** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3122):**Consider changing maximum size for network install images (also affects Workstation)**

● **Opened:** a month ago by adamwill
● **Last Updated:** 2 hours ago
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-01-29 19:33:00 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Hmm, not sure why it didn't work the first time.
2024-01-29 19:33:42 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Accept all of Adam's proposals in the latest comment.
2024-01-29 19:33:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-29 19:33:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 (and make sure workstation WG is ok with it too)
2024-01-29 19:34:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1 to sgallagh
2024-01-29 19:34:15 <@jistone:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 19:34:33 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> #info https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3122#comment-893698
2024-01-29 19:34:38 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3122#comment-893698
2024-01-29 19:34:48 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3122#comment-893698
2024-01-29 19:34:51 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 19:35:34 <@jistone:fedora.im> this feels like a debt-limit vote -- as long as we understand the source of growth, with no sudden surprises, it seems fine
2024-01-29 19:36:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I have to admit that the "x is typing" feature is nice. It helps to know that somebody's formulating their thoughts.
2024-01-29 19:36:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it pretty much is
2024-01-29 19:36:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yeah.
2024-01-29 19:36:54 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> BTW, I think that the graph I made based on AdamW's data is interesting: the growth was essentially linear for a long time, until the artificial ceiling was hit, and then the curve was flat for a bit.
2024-01-29 19:37:35 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !agreed APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)
2024-01-29 19:37:54 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic #3152 Change: Run Anaconda dir/image installations only in non-interactive text mode

2024-01-29 19:38:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !fesco 3152

2024-01-29 19:38:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3152** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3152):**Change: Run Anaconda dir/image installations only in non-interactive text mode**

● **Opened:** 5 days ago by amoloney
● **Last Updated:** 4 hours ago
● **Assignee:** vponcova
2024-01-29 19:40:16 <@jistone:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: are there fixes they could make to resolve your need for the interactive mode?
2024-01-29 19:40:26 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> It sounds like this boils down to the anaconda team not having the capacity to support a little-used feature.
2024-01-29 19:40:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ultimately, the `--image` flag changes very little about anaconda's behavior except forcing the rest of the code to only see a specific disk
2024-01-29 19:41:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there are currently no methods for doing kickstart testing, and using kickstarts as a substitute for interactive installation in this way is horribly incomplete
2024-01-29 19:43:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I would have less issues if the kickstart mode wasn't so buggy and there was a way to do interactive kickstart generation in Fedora so that the result is always valid
2024-01-29 19:43:28 <@jistone:fedora.im> alternatively, if we keep the functionality, but the team has no capacity for it, is it still in reasonable shape?
2024-01-29 19:44:14 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> we [the anaconda team] proposed interactive ks generation many years ago and were denied [the ability to work on that feature]
2024-01-29 19:44:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm very sympathetic to their issues, but at the same time, the stuff that's supposed to work doesn't seem to either :(
2024-01-29 19:44:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I wound up using it years ago to work around things that I was told they don't have the time or ability to work on
2024-01-29 19:47:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I'm sympathetic to what Neal is saying, but I don't quite think we can tell upstream developers to not drop a feature, when the feature is complicated and increases their testing matrix. If this feature was something crucial to the common workflows, that could be different. But when it's not, and is just "useful", then we can't really demand anything and the Proposal is just a nice heads-up for nice.
2024-01-29 19:47:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm fine with them dropping it, but the premise of their Change document is not valid because they assert it's only used or can be used for image builds
2024-01-29 19:48:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm pushing back in part because they didn't know that it's used for "normal" installation purposes too
2024-01-29 19:48:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and I'm hoping this time the bugs I've reported and reporting again would maybe get some attention
2024-01-29 19:49:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it sounds like that may not be the case either, so I dunno
2024-01-29 19:49:16 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> well, your example is not a normal installation.  they have stated it's an unsupported use case as you describe it.  the fact that it works in your case is irrelevant
2024-01-29 19:49:32 <@jistone:fedora.im> (hints of https://xkcd.com/1172/ there)
2024-01-29 19:49:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I was suggested this path by them back in the F34 days :/
2024-01-29 19:49:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: Forgive me if this comes across harshly, but if you're using it in a way that the developers did not anticipate, that doesn't really sound like they should be required to support it.
2024-01-29 19:50:02 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> unsupported _now_
2024-01-29 19:50:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I did not know it could be used this way until I was told I could do that to work around my issues that they had no time to fix
2024-01-29 19:50:34 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I read this change proposal as one that is trying to eliminate duplication of work and shift people to image builder for those types of installs and leave anaconda for interactive and kickstart install paths.  I don't have a problem with that
2024-01-29 19:50:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, I don't care about that either
2024-01-29 19:52:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I wasn't there, so I have no idea if they pitched this approach to you as a hacky temporary workaround or expected it to be a supported path, but I think the existence of this request suggests that whatever the prior intent, they've determined it's a dead-end
2024-01-29 19:52:46 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> changes like this do help the installer team significantly reduce the QA test matrix
2024-01-29 19:53:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it sure beat the crap I was doing to test things during F33 changes, so I adopted it pretty quickly
2024-01-29 19:53:32 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> then with it going away, let's pour one out for it in Brussels  :)
2024-01-29 19:53:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK. I think the positions are clear and we should vote.
2024-01-29 19:53:52 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I'm +1
2024-01-29 19:53:57 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 19:54:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 here.
2024-01-29 19:54:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> -1
2024-01-29 19:54:12 <@jistone:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 19:54:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Whom are we missing?
2024-01-29 19:55:39 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> the pykickstart package includes 'ksvalidator' to validate the syntax of a kickstart file against a specific Fedora or EL release.  anaconda also writes anaconda-ks.cfg to /root on each install, which makes for nice templates
2024-01-29 19:56:50 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Do we only have 5 people?
2024-01-29 19:56:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 19:57:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> dcantrell: it doesn't validate the contents, only the syntax
2024-01-29 19:57:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> e.g. %packages is not checked for a valid transaction
2024-01-29 19:57:19 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> zbyszek: Sorry, I looked away for a moment.
2024-01-29 19:57:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's the biggest problem tbh, because anaconda's failure modes with bad %packages sections are pretty bad
2024-01-29 19:57:46 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> correct, it's only a syntax validator.
2024-01-29 19:57:48 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !agreed APPROVED (+5, 0, -1)
2024-01-29 19:58:15 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> problems reported with %packages issues were always nearly impossible to debug.  the problem is the existence of packages
2024-01-29 19:58:28 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> we should just be like a BSD and distribute daily builds of everything as a single fedora.tgz file
2024-01-29 19:58:32 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Well, if everyone jumps over to bootable containers, maybe that works around the issue>?
2024-01-29 19:58:33 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Sorry, I knew there was one more person. It's almost 21:00 here and I don't feel like the sharpest tool in the shed.
2024-01-29 19:58:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh lordy
2024-01-29 19:58:56 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Since the built containers can be tested before being applied to a destination system...
2024-01-29 19:58:58 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic #3158 Change: Arm Minimal Image OS Build

2024-01-29 19:59:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !fesco 3158

2024-01-29 19:59:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3158** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3158):**Change: Arm Minimal Image OS Build**

● **Opened:** 2 days ago by amoloney
● **Last Updated:** 4 hours ago
● **Assignee:** pbrobinson
2024-01-29 19:59:08 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I remember asking a BSD person one time "so how do you guys handle upgrades?" and the response was "we don't!  have fun!"
2024-01-29 20:00:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Oh, I added this one to the agenda because Neal asked for "something like pagure.io/fedora-blueprints".
2024-01-29 20:00:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'm not clear on why this made it on the agenda. No one voted -1 so far.
2024-01-29 20:00:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I intentionally didn't vote because I wanted to see if anyone else cared about my opinion
2024-01-29 20:01:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> for... reasons, I am not prepared to fight very hard for this
2024-01-29 20:01:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, not alone anyway
2024-01-29 20:01:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if no one else cares, then there's no point in me forcing the matter
2024-01-29 20:01:37 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I think it was very nice  in the Kiwi proposal, because it made it very easy to evaluate. 
2024-01-29 20:01:48 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> But in this case, IIUC, the work is not done yet.
2024-01-29 20:02:49 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> If that's something we'd like to see in the future, I think we need to have a separate proposal for that (along with documentation)
2024-01-29 20:03:09 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think it's unfair to put that requirement in at the proverbial last minut
2024-01-29 20:03:12 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think it's unfair to put that requirement in at the proverbial last minute
2024-01-29 20:03:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I asked it at the very beginning of the process though
2024-01-29 20:04:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> like we already kind of have this problem with Fedora IoT
2024-01-29 20:04:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Hmm, I don't quite understand. OSbuild is a generic image builder, so the definitions will have to live _somewhere_. 
2024-01-29 20:04:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I have no idea how we build it
2024-01-29 20:04:29 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So building the definitions is part of the proposal, implicitly, no?
2024-01-29 20:04:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no, it is not
2024-01-29 20:04:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> osbuild has hardcoded baseline builds
2024-01-29 20:05:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you can choose to have blueprints, or you can choose to have nothing
2024-01-29 20:05:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> iot is build from pungi using the https://pagure.io/fedora-iot repo IIRC
2024-01-29 20:05:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> even an empty blueprint file that just has the name and version would be better than just calling pungi to do things(tm)
2024-01-29 20:06:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> That seems to be an empty repo?
2024-01-29 20:06:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think it's fine to ask for clarification from change owners... do we need to discuss it more?
2024-01-29 20:06:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the underlying concern is I have no idea how the image is made and that means nobody else does either
2024-01-29 20:06:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> what if we have to debug it? what if there's a package problem? etc.
2024-01-29 20:06:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it doesn't look empty to me?
2024-01-29 20:07:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the repo just has a readme file
2024-01-29 20:07:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nothing else
2024-01-29 20:07:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://pagure.io/fedora-iot/pungi-iot/blob/main/f/fedora-iot.conf
2024-01-29 20:07:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's not empty, but clearly that's not where the build definition lives
2024-01-29 20:07:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-29 20:07:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-01-29 20:07:59 <@jistone:fedora.im> is it important to be a blueprint in particular? or just that whatever mechanism that built it is available
2024-01-29 20:08:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I use blueprint because that's the osbuild term for it
2024-01-29 20:08:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but more accurately, the package set and image configuration parameters should be somewhere controllable by the SIG, contributors, and releng
2024-01-29 20:09:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't really care what it's called, my underlying ask is that I would like to not have a mystery meat image build
2024-01-29 20:11:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I think Neal has a point.
2024-01-29 20:11:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the only reason I didn't say something in the related Fedora IoT changes this cycle was that there is no point in my complaining about this now that I discovered the problem to block that stuff, but I don't really want new images that we have no idea how the work
2024-01-29 20:11:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the only reason I didn't say something in the related Fedora IoT changes this cycle was that there is no point in my complaining about this now that I discovered the problem to block that stuff, but I don't really want new images that we have no idea how they work
2024-01-29 20:11:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So let's continue the discussion in the ticket. 
2024-01-29 20:12:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm fine with that
2024-01-29 20:12:05 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Can I jump to the next topic?
2024-01-29 20:12:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2024-01-29 20:12:13 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic (Lack of) voting in FastTrack proposals

2024-01-29 20:12:53 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So… this doesn't have a ticket, bu the issue is that all the recent FastTrack proposals failed, i.e. just timed out and we defaulted to the normal voting policy after one week.
2024-01-29 20:13:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Dunno, that just doesn't seem like an optimal outcome when people ask for a quick response.
2024-01-29 20:13:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I don't have any particular idea, but I think there's a problem.
2024-01-29 20:13:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> perhaps somehow we could make it more clear when something is fasttrack or not?
2024-01-29 20:13:48 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I don't have any particular idea how to solve this, but I think there's a problem.
2024-01-29 20:13:54 <@jistone:fedora.im> it might help if there were something in the title (-> email subject) that highlighted FastTrack
2024-01-29 20:14:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can turn on emailing on actions including when people add labels
2024-01-29 20:14:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (I thought this was already on...)
2024-01-29 20:15:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I think it is? I used to get emails on status changes like that.
2024-01-29 20:16:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, in the subject would be nice.
2024-01-29 20:16:20 <@jistone:fedora.im> the label needs to be noticed if it's there from the start too
2024-01-29 20:16:34 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I think there might not be any mail in case in the label is there from the start. Yeah.
2024-01-29 20:16:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> maybe we need to create issue templates
2024-01-29 20:16:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I know I always include in the comment if I nominate something for FastTrack 
2024-01-29 20:16:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> same
2024-01-29 20:17:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> It would be nice if FastTrack tickets could auto-send reminders once a day, maybe.
2024-01-29 20:17:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, but if you do that and then 4 people vote, someone coming along could just see the votes and not realize it's fast track... but dunno if thats a real problem or not.
2024-01-29 20:17:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So… should we try with the approach of changing the title to end with [FastTrack] and see if that helps?
2024-01-29 20:17:55 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I suspect the problem is more of people getting busy and forgetting about it than anything else
2024-01-29 20:17:58 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I like the title idea
2024-01-29 20:18:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, we could ask people to put a prefix for FastTrack
2024-01-29 20:18:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it becomes blaringly obvious then
2024-01-29 20:18:49 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> wait, do we not have a fasttrack label?  I thought we did
2024-01-29 20:18:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we do
2024-01-29 20:19:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !action zbyszek to submit a draft for the Fesco page to mention the changing of the title for FastTrack issues.
2024-01-29 20:19:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 to try the change to title.
2024-01-29 20:19:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-29 20:19:32 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: FastTrack tickets must gain a [FastTrack] title addition and if they have not received enough votes in 48 hours, a FESCo member should send a reminder
2024-01-29 20:19:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (not that votes are really needed for this, only the PR itself once it's made)
2024-01-29 20:19:39 <@jistone:fedora.im> you only see the label/tag if you're looking at pagure web
2024-01-29 20:19:41 <@jistone:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 20:19:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Stephen Gallagher: +1
2024-01-29 20:19:59 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 20:20:04 <@tstellar:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-29 20:20:10 <@jistone:fedora.im> I wouldn't wait 48 hours to add to the title -- just do it right away
2024-01-29 20:20:11 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher: I'd just change the title always, when setting the label.
2024-01-29 20:20:29 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> zbyszek: That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's unclear?
2024-01-29 20:20:41 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Ah, OK, now I see.
2024-01-29 20:20:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1 then.
2024-01-29 20:21:12 <@jistone:fedora.im> ok, yeah
2024-01-29 20:21:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !agreed FastTrack tickets must gain a [FastTrack] title addition and if they have not received enough votes in 48 hours, a FESCo member should send a reminder (+6, 0, 0)
2024-01-29 20:21:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, everyone's favorite
2024-01-29 20:21:58 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !topic Next week's chair

2024-01-29 20:22:20 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Obvious first question: will we have quorum with FOSDEM travel going on?
2024-01-29 20:22:21 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> can't, out of town
2024-01-29 20:22:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> can't, on a plane
2024-01-29 20:22:33 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I'll be already back.
2024-01-29 20:22:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh actually no, won't be on a plane
2024-01-29 20:22:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but I will be half dead
2024-01-29 20:22:50 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I'll be on the way to the Fedora Council gathering
2024-01-29 20:22:56 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I prefer to say half alive
2024-01-29 20:23:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol glass half full inded
2024-01-29 20:23:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol glass half full indeed
2024-01-29 20:23:39 <@jistone:fedora.im> "he's only mostly dead"
2024-01-29 20:23:41 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, so it sounds like we should skip the next meeting. We're likely to not to make quorum.
2024-01-29 20:23:46 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Schrodinger's Neal?
2024-01-29 20:23:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> aren't I that always?
2024-01-29 20:24:04 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I don't know, I haven't checked.
2024-01-29 20:24:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I guess that's mostly stopped since moving to Matrix
2024-01-29 20:24:08 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !info Next meeting will be February 12th.
2024-01-29 20:24:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Since we're not going to have next week's meeting, do we have time to discuss a topic that was just filed for meeting today?
2024-01-29 20:25:04 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I can probably take it Feb 12 if no one else can.
2024-01-29 20:26:00 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !action Stephen Gallagher will chair the next meeting (in two weeks).
2024-01-29 20:26:11 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: go
2024-01-29 20:26:19 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-01-29 20:27:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> So, travier from the KDE SIG filed a ticket with FESCo just before this meeting started, and I'd like FESCo folks to look at it if they can
2024-01-29 20:27:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic #3165 Requesting FESCo assistance with issue about plasma-x11
2024-01-29 20:27:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !fesco 3165
2024-01-29 20:27:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3165** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3165):**Requesting FESCo assistance with issue about plasma-x11**

● **Opened:** an hour ago by siosm
● **Last Updated:** an hour ago
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2024-01-29 20:28:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Pffff.
2024-01-29 20:28:41 <@jistone:fedora.im> so the request is to keep the X11 fallbacks exiled to COPR, blocked from Fedora repos?
2024-01-29 20:28:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (yes, I realize the irony of bringing this up today given the stuff we discussed today...)
2024-01-29 20:29:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-01-29 20:29:18 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I've been in meetings for 6 hours, can we take this up async or at the next meeting?
2024-01-29 20:29:24 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Does it need to be blocked from the repos or just from installable media?
2024-01-29 20:29:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can take it async
2024-01-29 20:29:36 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> thx
2024-01-29 20:29:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention now because it's urgent from the KDE SIG's PoV
2024-01-29 20:30:01 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Right. There are also the nonresponsive-maintainer and other tickets that need looking at.
2024-01-29 20:30:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I suppose we could say 'don't add the packages while we consider this' ?
2024-01-29 20:30:10 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> I am willing to chat async if anybody needs me (member of the kde sig)
2024-01-29 20:30:15 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik+1
2024-01-29 20:30:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nirik: I'm good with that +
2024-01-29 20:30:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nirik: I'm good with that +1
2024-01-29 20:30:44 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> yeah, don't do anything while we discuss
2024-01-29 20:30:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'll take that to the ticket and we can continue to discuss from there.
2024-01-29 20:31:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> probibly update the bugs too so submitters/reviewers know
2024-01-29 20:31:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, anything else, ideally brief, for open floor?
2024-01-29 20:32:02 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Yeah, I'll update the Review tickets too
2024-01-29 20:32:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> looking forward to meeting folks in Brussels, if anyone of y'all are going to be here this week?
2024-01-29 20:32:22 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I get in Friday, not there for CentOS connect
2024-01-29 20:32:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (and I'm clearly tired with the number of typos increasing...)
2024-01-29 20:32:29 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I'll be there. On the second day of Centos Connect too.
2024-01-29 20:33:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> If nothing else, I'll close in a minute.
2024-01-29 20:33:47 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !endmeeting

2024-01-29 20:34:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !endmeeting